“They Won’t Admit That ‘I Am Defeated’.”


IRM

Back To Prabhupada, Issue 35, Spring 2012

For almost 20 years now, we have been printing various literatures which have proven conclusively that Srila Prabhupada's orders established himself as the diksa guru for ISKCON, and that his orders in this regard were thwarted by various guru hoaxes. The GBC has been unable to counter the evidence presented, but has still continued with its guru hoax in practice (the evidence for all this can easily be viewed on our website). Since Srila Prabhupada's orders have not convinced ISKCON's leaders, in recent years we have made it even easier for them to accept the truth, by simply presenting their own statements in which they agree with the IRM's position. This agreement has been documented particularly in BTP Special Issue 2, the many regular climbdowns featured in virtually every BTP issue, as well as the opening chapters in our "100 Contradictions" and "100 Deviations" books. Indeed, in this BTP issue alone, most of our articles present evidence of ISKCON leaders agreeing with the IRM's position. In the "Blind leading the blind" article on pages 4-5, we even present the spectacle of ISKCON's leaders presenting the IRM's position in a course where they are actually preparing candidates to enter the guru hoax! This behaviour demonstrates:

a) A ridiculous obstinacy by ISKCON's leaders against accepting the truth even in the face of overwhelming evidence - evidence which the same leaders themselves are presenting,
and
b) A phenomenon, in turn, of the "blind leading the blind", whereby the bewildered leaders mislead their followers.

Below we present Srila Prabhupada speaking out about such behaviour, with all emphases in the quotes added.

Blind leading the blind

"So these rascals should be stopped. Speaking all lies, propaganda. Let him go to hell, I don't mind. But why they are misleading others? That is the greatest harm they have done. We attack them only for this reason. Otherwise, individually, you go to hell. Who cares for you? But in the name of science and becoming a scientist, you are misleading others. Andha yathandhaih. You are blind rascal, and you are leading other blind men. Why you are doing these harmful activities? You are admitting that you are blindly believing. So you are blind. You remain blind if you don't accept knowledge. Why you are trying to lead other blind men? Let them have knowledge."
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, 31/3/1977)

"In Srimad-Bhagavatam they are also described as andha yathandhair upaniyamanah. These rascals are themselves blind, and yet they are leading others who are blind. When people follow such leaders, they suffer unlimited pains in the future."
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 24.249)

"The Godless leaders of the society are blind themselves and their followers are also blind. So blind men leading the blind has no meaning."
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 5/2/1970)

As we have documented in this issue and elsewhere, ISKCON's leaders, just like the scientists described here, are misleading their followers with the guru hoax. In the next section, Srila Prabhupada begins by mentioning how this "blind leading the blind" results from the reluctance to accept defeat.

Won't admit defeat

"That's all. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah["Blind leading the Blind"] [SB 7.5.31]. Anyway he has admitted, "I do not know." That is sufficient defeat for him. But they are shameless. In spite of being defeated, they won't admit that "I am defeated." Not gentlemen. Formerly between two learned scholars there will be argument. If one is defeated... Just like Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. As soon as he became defeated, he became His disciple. That's all. That was the system. Not that we go on arguing for hours, and one is defeated; still, he remains the same. No. If you are defeated, then you must accept the other party as your master. That was the system."
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, 2/5/1973)

"Because an enemy, even though he is enemy, if he is learned, he will not make injustice. That he cannot. Any learned scholar cannot make any injustice. So he admitted his defeat, because he is learned scholar. That is scholarship. Not that... Just like Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. He argued with Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu as a scholar. But when he became defeated, he accepted His discipleship. This was the method, that two persons may argue, but one who is defeated, he must become his disciple. Not that simply waste time arguing and no conclusion."
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 8/1/1974)

"There may be talks on philosophy, but if one party is defeated, the defeated person, he must be disciple of the winning, victorious party […] We have to follow the Vedic principle that either remain without guru... And if you want to make a guru, first of all be convinced that "He is fit to become my guru.""
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 22/5/1976)

Though ISKCON's leaders have been defeated by Srila Prabhupada's statements, which would oblige everyone to become Srila Prabhupada's disciples, ironically they respond to their philosophical defeat by still attempting to get everyone to become their disciples through the guru hoax.

Rascal obstinacy

"Obstinate rascals. Not only rascal, but obstinate rascal. Their only remedy is shoe. That's all. Obstinacy. There is a story about obstinacy. Two friends were talking. One friend said, "This is cut by a scissor." So another friend says, "No, it is cut by the knife." So then there was fight. So the friend who was talking of the knife, he was strong enough. So he captured him: "You accept it is scissor, otherwise I'll throw you in the water." So other, "No, it is scissor," so he threw him in the water. So when he was dying, he was doing like this. [Prabhupada makes a hand motion like scissor] [laughter]. So he is obstinate rascal."
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, 12/8/1976)

"Obstinate. That scissors philosophy. There is no other way to understand it, but he'll not accept. That is his misfortune. Mudha. Boka. And our problem is that these bokas, rascals, they are leading the society. And they are suffering. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. He's blind. We are also blind. And they're leading us. What will be our consequence? […] These rascals will not allow to understand real thing. That is the position. Otherwise what we have got to do with these rascals? But because they are taking some position, the whole populace is misguided."
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, 1/2/1977)

"And defeat they are taking as success. Just like these rascal scientists, they could not go and settle in the moon planet. Still, they are saying, "It is success. It is success." […] These bogus things are going on."
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, 9/12/1973)

And there cannot be a more egregious example of "rascal obstinacy" than ISKCON's leaders refusing to accept and follow the conclusions they themselves present!


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