“I am not stealing!”


Back To Prabhupada, Issue 34, Winter 2011

The following quotations in the shaded panels come from a lecture given by guru hoaxer HH Bir Krishna Goswami at an initiation ceremony he was performing on 25/12/2011 at ISKCON Hillsborough, North Carolina, USA.

Bir Krishna Goswami’s ritvik initiations

Srila Prabhupada is diksa guru

“However, as Srila Prabhupada is the primary source of siksa, inspiration, a focal point for devotion, he’s the personality who connects us, all of us, me, you, all of us to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, because he was sent by Krishna from the spiritual world.”

Bir Krishna Goswami explains that the relationship between those to whom he is giving initiation and Srila Prabhupada, is the same as his own relationship to Srila Prabhupada, which is that Srila Prabhupada connects them to Krishna, which is what the diksa guru does:

“And if you get a bona fide spiritual master, he will take you to Krsna.”
(The Laws of Nature, Chapter 1)

The initiation connects one to Srila Prabhupada

“by taking initiation you’re connecting with Prabhupada. And my personal request is that you develop a personal relationship with Prabhupada by regularly hearing from Prabhupada, hearing about Prabhupada, worshipping Prabhupada. Prabhupada will appear in your dreams.”

Bir Krishna Goswami explains that the initiation he is giving is non-different to a ritvik initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, whereby the initiation connects the initiate directly to Srila Prabhupada, and the initiate is then able to have a direct, personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada.

Initiator and initiate connected with Srila Prabhupada in the same way

“So uh, so you may say that I was fortunate you know, I got in contact with Srila Prabhupada, I saw Srila Prabhupada, etc., etc., but you’re all just as fortunate because a pure devotee is manifest in the most important way in terms of his vani. […] You have these Mp3 players, you have computers, you can keep in contact and be with Prabhupada practically 24 hours a day. […] It’s a personal relationship, because in the spiritual world, […] when we go back Prabhupada will be there. And he is there. And then we’ll all be part of the same family, Prabhupada’s associates in the spiritual world. So for me, that’s everything.”

Underscoring the points just made, Bir Krishna Goswami further emphasises that following the initiation ceremony, the initiate will develop his personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada in exactly the same way he does, and Srila Prabhupada’s physical absence is immaterial.

Part of a trend

The above description mirrors the one we detailed HH Bhakti Charu Swami (“BCS”) giving in relation to the initiations he recently gave to devotees (please see BTP 32, “Bhakti Charu Swami’s ritvik initiations”). There, as here, it was explained that the result of getting an initiation by an ISKCON guru is that the initiate ends up with a relationship to Srila Prabhupada that is identical to that which resulted from the many ritvik initiations conducted on behalf of Srila Prabhupada during his physical appearance on the planet. Thus, more and more, ISKCON’s guru hoaxers are themselves admitting that the initiation they provide is no different to a ritvik initiation, and that they are actually functioning as ritviks. But they insist on one big key difference - that the initiate should still worship and regard them as “good as God” diksa gurus - since that, after all, is the name of the game: to garner the benefits of pretending to be a diksa guru, even if one is only a ritvik, due to one’s desire for profit, adoration and distinction (the “PAD” phenomenon mentioned in the last issue).

“I am not a ritvik!”

Despite Bir Krishna Goswami’s admissions above, he makes a point of stating at the outset of the lecture the following unprompted declaration:

“That doesn’t mean that I’m advocating ritvik philosophy where, you know I’m definitely giving initiation.”

He has to disclose he is not advocating the “ritvik philosophy” (that Srila Prabhupada is the diksa guru). This is yet another trend which we have covered in previous BTP issues, where guru hoaxers make a point of disclosing, unprompted, that they are not proposing the “ritvik” position:

“don’t think anyone’s gonna charge me for being a ritvik …”
(HH Sivarama Swami (“SRS”), Lecture, 11/1/2009)

“the ritvik-vadis […] they’ll probably love this one! But […] ritvik-vadis […] I’m not supporting that as a solution,”
(HH Bhakti Vikash Swami (“BVKS”), lecture, 24/8/2011)

And in each case, the guru hoaxers do actually advocate the IRM’s position, as documented: in Bir Krishna Goswami’s case above; for SRS in BTP 23, “GBC climbdown continues – 1”; and for BVKS in BTP 33, “ISKCON guru follows BTP’s lead”.

“I am not stealing!”

Srila Prabhupada explains thatwhen one makes a point of offering unprompted denials it is actually an admission of the very assertion they are trying to deny:

“Just like one man was stealing from the room, and there were some sounds, and the master of the house said “Who is there? What is that sound?” The man said, “No, I am not stealing. No, no I am not stealing.” […] Just see the foolishness. The same logic, “No, no, I am not stealing.” Who asked that you are stealing? He asked for the sound, but he disclosed. It is like that.“
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, 6/7/1976)

“To keep his position clear, he has approached that “I am not thief.” It is like that. Just like I’m going to catch you as thief. Before my catching you come and say, “No, no I am not a thief,” then you are a thief. Do you understand the logic? I am going to capture you as a thief. Now, before my capturing, you approach me that “I am not a thief.” That means you are a thief.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, 15/7/1977)

To underscore Srila Prabhupada’s logic above, it can be noted that the GBC claim in their resolutions that “ritvikism” is a “dangerous philosophical deviation” (resolution 303, 1999). Yet ISKCON’s guru hoaxers are unable to explain themselves without being forced to state that they are not preaching this same “dangerous philosophical deviation”!

This is how ludicrous the situation has become as our guru hoaxer “thieves” attempt to hide the fact that they are not trying to “steal” the disciples who actually belong to Srila Prabhupada.


“We are really ritviks who want you to worship us as diksa gurus, and to hide this fact we will first make an announcement that we are not ritviks.”

Thus, the guru hoax has turned into nothing but a guru farce.

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