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Warning delivered on com

We have just been informed by our undercover agents in Mayapura, close to Dayarama leading disiple of JPS, of the following plan. Dayarama plans to fly to Mumbai in the next few days to obtain as many signatures of the bureau members as possible, who are in agreement with his plan to use 200 devotees to storm the Calcutta temple and Gurusadaya Road properties.

The plan has been given the green light by the GBC in the USA, and the aim is to get some Bureau members' assent as well. Though the bureau signatures will have no legal effect, they will be used after the occupation  as evidence that the action was not taken unilaterally.

Please be warned we have at least 6 licensed gunman besides other arrangments at each property, and the local press and Police have been informed of the attack from Mayapura, and our plans of defence. We will defend both properties, the deities and the devotees with our life. The gunman are licensed to use force to repel any attack. We do not see what will be gained from this action, except that there will be the needless loss of devotee's lives.

This is a final warning to both the ICC and the GBC, that if they wish to avert this catastrophe, they need to call Dayarama off. He will not take any action unless he has approval from at least a handful of bureau members. Otherwise they will have blood on their hands. Because please be rest assured that the days when such goonda tactics could work in ISKCON are over. Yes, with JPS on the run, and the GBC having no joy in the courts, it is clear that the GBC are now getting desparate. But unless Dayarama's hired hands are prepared to lay down their lives, such an action will not work - our gunman will see to that.

We are prepared and ready. We do not fear such an attack - and make this plea only to avoid unnecessary bloodshed. Either Dayarama's thugs will have to kill us, or they will be shot - either way it will such a public relations disaster, that any resulting occupation, even if it were happen, which is highly unlikely - would be meaningless. But your agreement will be there for the world to see.

You have been warned.

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The following correspondence ensued with various devotees on this issue

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Dear Pancaratna Prabhu, (pictured left)

PAMHO AGTSP

I think you taken leave of your senses.

Mayapura wants to bring 200 devotees to FORCIBLY and VIOLENTLY and ILLEGALLY take over the temple properties, and all you can do is to tell ME to give up DEFENDING myself.
Any sane man would try and PREVENT the situation by writing to the would be AGGRESSORS and making sure that such an act of aggression does not even take place.

If you did THAT then you would not even NEED to write to me since NOTHING would happen.

The fact that you have NOT done this, and instead wrote to ME and asked me to give up plans of b, can only mean two things:

The occupation is going to go ahead; And you agree with such an occupation;

Think about it. If there was to be NO violent occupation, then b is there for you to write to me to 'GIVE UP' - NOTHING is going to happen. And WHY wouldn't you write FIRST to those who would INITIATE this sequence of events.

Mayapura has had a long history of Violence as everyone knows.

Please wake up and get your priorities right. THEY can keep guns for protection. THEY can occupy us by force and violence. But the moment I talk of self-defence you are all 'horrified', and state that we should simply leave and not be 'attached'. Please wake up.

Devotees in Mayapura make violent threats against me all the time - and you know it.

As I stated to begin with - if 200 violent blood-thirsty goondas are not planning to come at all - then you have nothing to worry about. So you would be better off making sure it does not happen - because the days when such goonda tactics ruled ISKCON are over. We are supposed to be a spiritual movement and you are more horrifed that someone should try and DEFEND themselves AGAINST such goonda tactics than the fact that such a tactic may even be contemplated in the first place.
No wonder such a goonda culture flourishes in ISKCON.

ys, adri

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From: Pancaratna (das) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)
Date: 13-Sep-00 00:57 To: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [2831] Reference: Text COM:3532784 by Adri Dharan (das) ACBSP (Calcutta)
Subject: Bureau planning bloodbath
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Dear Adridharan prabhu,

Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya!

I am totally shocked that you could consider killing devotees to protect your position as the temple president of Calcutta ISKCON. I cannot find any way to justify such an agressive response.

Of course, I would deplore any use of physical force by any party.

But to consider killing devotees whatever the provocation (short of a violent, life-threatening attac) is unthinkable to me. You state:

"We will defend both properties, the deities and the devotees with our life."

Defend against what? The only issue here is your position as the president of the center and the policy regarding intiations for the residents of the center. Do you believe that your antagonists pose any physical threat to the property? That they would harm the Deities or the devotees? And if the devotees really feel threatened they can simply leave. Is their attachment to a particular service worth taking someones life?

Please give up this horror.

Your servant, Pancaratna das (Text COM:3538819)
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- Dear Pancaratna Das,

PAMHO AGTSP

"Adri, I wrote what I felt."

Well maybe in future it is better to write the TRUTH than what you 'feel'.

What we feel should be rooted in reality. We all feel so many things, and these 'feelings' change every second depending on what mode of material nature happens to be predominating at that moment. So best to stick to FACTS.

>"I was shocked that you would publicly threaten to kill devotees."

I simply said that IF we are attacked with Violence we will DEFEND with force - and that THIS confrontation could result in the loss of lives - so best to avoid it. Why not be shocked at the fact that we would even NEED to take such DEFENSIVE action. You are like these bleeding heart liberals who get shocked at the fact that private citizens are determined to protect themselves against intruders instead of laying down and letting them pillage. Yet they never get shocked at the fact that we actually HAVE such a state of affairs in the first place. And IF such a state of affairs does NOT exist then there is nothing to worry about in the first place. So you need to get your priorities straight.

>"I also wrote that " I would deplore any use of physical force by any party." so you know that I don't condone the idea of Mayapur using any kind of force in this issue."

Well if that IS the case - then WHY attack ME for wanting to DEFEND myself against such Force - why not just make sure it NEVER happens. On the contrary you are more concerned that if such a thing SHOULD happen, that we do NOT defend, and instead not be 'attached' and leave!

>"Throughout this whole war you are conducting with the GBC I have often felt that, regardless of who is right about what Srila Prabhupada wanted, both sides appear infected with a great deal of arrogance and agressiveness. I pray for peace."

Well get your FACTS right. They STARTED the war by whimsically expelling so many devotees. We simply DEFENDED ourselves - just as we are planning to DEFEND ourselves AGAIN from any physical attack from Mayapura - the act which you got so upset about in the first place. So you should have taken your own advice, and worked for peace by concentrating on making sure there is peace by preventing any attack, rather than trying to inflame the situation by attacking me for wanting to DEFEND myself.

How was that an example of 'praying for peace'?

Thank you, ys, adri

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Dear Devakinandana, (pictured right)

Please try and learn to state some FACTS - your e-mails are always noticeable for their absence of anything factual. You state:

"Do you think Prabhupada will be very happy with this kind of your talk and action?"

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"You may say that you have not done this in action but you know talk is more powerful. Draupadi simply made a joke to Duryodhan that Andhe ke bete andhe hote hain (son of blind is also blind). This statement led to Mahabharata."

How will the statement that we will DEFEND ourselves FROM a war LEAD to a war. If we DEFEND ourselves FROM 200 goondas, then the war has ALREADY begun. You have got everything back to front.

"Adri prabhu I can see that you are not doing anything to reform ISKCON or do some preaching activities to please Srila Prabhupada but just to protect your nonsense you are doing all these things."

This is another nonsensical statement. You have just told us that there is NOTHING for me to protect myself from, so WHAT is is that I am supposed to be protecting myself from?

"You are going to plan a bloodshed."

Bloodshed can only arise if I get attacked, which you have assured us will NOT happen, so where is there the question of bloodshed.

I merely stated that blooshed will arise if I am forced to DEEFEND myself from an ATTACK. So at the very least the bloodshed can only be PLANNED by those who seek to attack, knowing that there will be a confrontation.

"It seems you are totally frustrated and insecured therefore, you are talking in unsane manner."

Surely the only persons who would be 'frustrated and insecure' would be those who seek to forcibly take away a temple, not those who simply warn that such an action is foolish. Why don't you wake up and realise that it has only been MY MESSAGE that has prevented all bloodshed since Dayarama's plan became neutralised by it.

"I do agree with Jsomatinandan prabhu and Bhima prabhu that GBC are equally bad,"

I can understand that from time to time you need to make statements to please Gopal, but please try and state something factual and coherent, instead of the above gibberish.

All these years so much goondagiri and violence has gone on in ISKCON - with Mayapura being part of it - and you have never said a single word against it. The only time that you and others seem to get upset is when someone actually speaks out AGAINST goonda tactics in ISKCON. Please get your priorities correct.

YS Adri

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Dear Prabhus,
PAMHO AGTSP

This message is interesting. It is the THIRD message now where the illegal Goonda occupation of other temples is ENDORSED - and ONLY self-defence is criticised. This merely confirms that the occupation plan WAS on the cards, and we were correct to try and defend ourselves.

It seems that it has not dawned on those with thug mentality such as Ajamila and Hari Sauri, that Srila Prabhupada has never taught that it is justified to take over other temples using a violent attack from a 200 pack of goondas. These people are still stuck in the zonal acarya mind warp, when 'might was right' and the Gurus henchman would terrorise TP's through violence. Even Yasomatinandana Das was also similarly terrorised by JPS and his goons in those days. This is not surprising since Hari Sauri and Ajamila were 2 big supporters of the zonal acharya system and their goonda tactics.

They need to snap out of this time warp and realise that we are now in the 21st century, and the days of Kirtanananda and JPS using their thugs to intimidate and control through violence are gone forever.

Zonal acharya supporters such as Ajamila and Hari Sauri are always behind a violent solution since they can not debate using philosophy and reason. Indeed on the recent CHAKRA debate, Ajamila chickened out saying he had 'no more time', yet he finds plenty of time to write messages supporting mob rule such as this one. We challenge him to continue the debate on CHAKRA instead of wishing that we simply get crushed through violence.
ys, adri