Srila Prabhupada's Order v. Lies


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Back To Prabhupada, Issue 39, Spring 2013

It is very easy to "prove" anything if you simply lie and fabricate evidence. Below we present some shocking case studies of how blatant lies have been used in the desperate attempt to support the idea that Srila Prabhupada ordered successor gurus.

No contradiction, just a lie

"but then if Prabhupada's your guru, then who's going to train you, who's going to guide you? When you have questions, just like you'll find that there are contradictions, apparent contradictions within Srila Prabhupada's teachings, just like this one, that guru should be on the topmost platform, but then Prabhupada said that, 'You all initiate'. He told his disciples. Does that mean that Srila Prabhupada didn't know that all his disciples were ... he was unaware that they weren't all mahabhagavatas? Does that mean, or what does it mean? That's what we're discussing. So there's one kind of apparent contradiction. There are so many."
(Bhakti Vikasa Swami Lecture, 4/2/2013)

To support the guru hoax, GBC-elected ISKCON guru Bhakti Vikasa Swami claims:
1) Srila Prabhupada says gurus should be on the topmost platform.
2) Srila Prabhupada says: "You all initiate".
3) Since all his disciples were not mahabhagavatas, this is an apparent contradiction.
4) You need a diksa guru other than Srila Prabhupada to answer questions about Srila Prabhupada's "contradictions".

The whole argument rests on Bhakti Vikasa Swami's claim 2), that Srila Prabhupada stated: "You all initiate". If Srila Prabhupada did not state this, then there is no "contradiction" for a successor guru to Srila Prabhupada to explain. And Srila Prabhupada never did state this. One can search the Bhaktivedanta Vedabase and verify that Srila Prabhupada never said: "You all initiate". Thus, both this "quote" and the "apparent contradiction" have simply been fabricated by Bhakti Vikasa Swami!

More fabrication

"If you want to quote Prabhupada directly, Prabhupada said 'My only mistake was that I initiated so many unqualified people'. [...] So the argument that, well, 'Prabhupada couldn't have wanted that because Prabhupada, he wouldn't be such a fool as to make gurus out of people who weren't qualified'. Well, then you could say that about Prabhupada himself initiating, making disciples out of unqualified people."
(Bhakti Vikasa Swami Lecture, 2/2/2009)

Bhakti Vikasa Swami claims the objection that Srila Prabhupada would not have authorised unqualified gurus is countered by claiming that Srila Prabhupada initiated unqualified people. To support this theory, Bhakti Vikasa Swami claims that if we "quote Prabhupada directly", Srila Prabhupada will state: "My only mistake was that I initiated so many unqualified people". But one can search the Bhaktivedanta Vedabase and verify that this is not a direct quote from Srila Prabhupada. Thus, this is yet another Srila Prabhupada "quote" that has simply been fabricated by Bhakti Vikasa Swami!

I am a liar

"Prabhupada's purport to Madhya-lila, verse 130, [...] I got the original transcript of this and there are mistakes in Prabhupada's books made by his editors, especially in the Caitanya-caritamrta, which was a rush job [...] because Prabhupada dictated and the transcribers heard it and typed it and then they edited. That should be 'It is best not to accept many disciples' not 'any disciples'. One letter makes a lot of difference."
(Bhakti Vikasa Swami Lecture, 9/2/2009)

Bhakti Vikasa Swami claims:

1)
He has seen the original transcript of Srila Prabhupada's dictation for Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, verse 130.

2) The Caitanya-caritamrta was a rush job and, therefore, the editors did not print what Srila Prabhupada had dictated.

3)
The editors incorrectly changed "many disciples" to "any disciples".

However, a few years later, Bhakti Vikasa Swami tells a different story:

"Srila Prabhupada's purport to Cc Madhya, 7.130:
'One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, "I am a first-class devotee." Such thinking should be avoided. It is best not to accept any disciples.'
In the present edition of the Vedabase, this has been changed to:
'One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking "I am a first-class devotee, so it is best not to accept any disciples." Such thinking should be avoided.'
[...] I have seen the original transcript of Srila Prabhupada's dictation of this section of his commentary, and it is clear that the editors at that time mistakenly rendered this part as it was first published. It is unsurprising that errors like this were made in the marathon to publish eighteen books in two months."

(Bhakti Vikasa Swami, 29/1/2013)

Bhakti Vikasa Swami claims, as before, that:

1) He has seen the original transcript of Srila Prabhupada's dictation for Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, verse 130.

2) The Caitanya-caritamrta was a rush job and, therefore, the editors did not print what Srila Prabhupada had dictated.

Only now:

3) The phrase "any disciples" is actually correct! One letter was not missed off from "many". Instead, the error now is something entirely different, with a whole sentence having been moved to the wrong place.

By Bhakti Vikasa Swami's own testimony, if he was telling the truth in 2009, he is lying now, and if he is telling the truth now, he was lying then! So by his own claims, he has lied at least once. In fact, there is no evidence that either of his stories are true, since this "original transcript" of Srila Prabhupada's dictation, which Bhakti Vikasa Swami cannot read without lying, has never been produced.

Fake list

Such fake claims are not restricted just to Bhakti Vikasa Swami, but prevalent throughout ISKCON's leadership. This is GBC member Badrinarayan Dasa:

"If Srila Prabhupada had wanted Vaisnavi diksa gurus as part of ISKCON's culture, why did he not put even one Vaisnavi on the list of gurus he named? Even one name on that list would have made all the difference -- but Srila Prabhupada did not. [...] What makes me take this unpopular stance is the simple fact that Srila Prabhupada did not do it. I am obliged by fidelity to what I believe he wanted."
(Badrinarayan Dasa, Text PAMHO:24768239)

Badrinarayan Dasa claims that the absence of females ("Vaisnavis") on "the list of gurus" Srila Prabhupada "named", means that Srila Prabhupada did not ever want female gurus. But Srila Prabhupada never named any list of gurus, male or female. One can search the Bhaktivedanta Vedabase and verify that no such list exists (a list of rtviks who would accept devotees as "initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada", dated July 9th, 1977, does exist -- but a list of gurus does not). Therefore, according to his own logic, Badrinarayan Dasa has to accept that Srila Prabhupada never wanted any diksa gurus, male or female! And Badrinarayan Dasa states he is "obliged by fidelity" to accept such a conclusion.

Conclusion

Do not accept the lies of the guru hoaxers. Check and verify all their claims with our actual source of authority, Srila Prabhupada's recorded statements, and thereby remain in the "Prabhupada-Only Paradigm" (POP).

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